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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 376   date June 13th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. Need to know.
Pass abuse complaints are rising re travel partners when they are
not accompanied by employee or retiree e.g. dress code violations,
yelling at airport agents, demanding upgrades. We are all asked to
thoroughtly brief travel partners on how to act and dress when using
this priviledge - or it will be lost!

In a speech at the semi-annual meeting of the Pionairs (USA) held
during the Pionairs AGM in Vancouver during April, Vicky Benoit, Manager
Industry Travel and Linda Kwoon, Industry Travel confirmed the following -
. Travel passes would continue to be valid for travel on Continental.
. There are no plans to institute a proceedure for paid upgrades when
travelling on a pass.
. Arrangements for using passes with other airlines are not uniform
since negotioations must recognise the different requirements of
each airline.
. Airport transfer taxes are determined by each airport, making it
immpractical to include such informationin the travel booklet.
(Note: Known Tax information can be found at our website - eds)

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. Where are they now?
Courtney Greene of Toronto is at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Ian Macmurray and Arthur Bedford now at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Your co-pilot recently took a short trip -
Had a nice cruise from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert on BC Ferries -
a 15 hour daylight trip with lots of spectacular scenery on the Inside
Passage. We saw a pod of Grey Whales, and Killer Whales, some seals and a
some Dolphins.  The vessel was very lightly loaded, only 30 vehicles, and
not too many passengers. We were able to have a group of 8 reclining
chairs and a table in a cubicle next to the windows. The food was the usual
BC ferry fare - yes exactly! However we survived.
We were visiting our eldest son and the grandchildren who are living in
P.R., so it was a nice way to end the mini cruise to stay with them for
four   days during the long weekend.
However - it poured with rain while we were there, so we did not do any
real sight seeing, except go around a canning factory museum which was
interesting. We had plans to visit the Queen Charlotte Islands, but did
not   consider the cost worthwhile just to have the same, or perhaps worse,
weather.
We drove to Smithers for an overnight, but the weather was cold, so we
drove on to Prince George for 2 nights and spent the day in Barkerville
which is an abandoned town from the gold rush era. It was our second such
visit, and had a great time there, although a tad chilly with over 4 foot
of snow still between the buildings and alongside the road.
As the weather was not the best, we headed for home, where the weather is
always much better, with sunshine everyday, except when the clouds get in
the way!
We did see our complement of wild life during the trip, including 3 black
bears, a few deers and some teenagers.

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. News from the districts.
The Montreal District Pionairs -
The Mtl District held its spring buffet at the Royal St Lawrence on May
27th. with 125 pionairs attending. The MC Pionair Russ Renard assisted by
Yvetee St Marie who did the French translation welcomed everyone on behalf
of the director and the committee. After the buffet Russ introduced
Pionair Leo Paul Rodrique who sang several songs from Broadway  Musicals.
After a standing ovation he sang an encore to the delight of those
present. Russ then introduced our Director Pam Rosholt who made a few
comments and she thanked committee members who recently retired from the
Mtl District those being Russ Reynard & Jacques Gaucher ( in attendance )
and Andre Gregoire & Brian Wright who were not present. Then on behalf of
the national Executive she pesented Certificates of Appreciation to Past
Director Herb Guilfoyle & Real Henri. Ben Vezina accepted on behalf of
Real who was unable to attend . Russ then proceeded with the drawing of
door prizes with the winners as follows.
Roger Rouse    - Afghan donated by Carmon Van Leeuwen
Larry Hall - Teddy Bear donated by Ena Zuuredee
The above were hand made by Ena and her sister Carmon
Adrienne De Verteuil - Dinner for two at Baton Rouge
Roger Bolduc - Dinner for two at Casa Greque
Jean Denis and  Maurice Blundeil - each won the Buffet lunch from Royal St
Lawrence
Stan Potts - Air Transat travel bag Donated by Air Transat
The following won 30 min. golf  lessons donated by West Island Golf  Dome
Pro Shop - Susann Rodger, Sheila O' Neil and Jacques Gaucher
Also donated by West Island Golf Dome six one hour playtimes in the dome
driving range - Howie Noel, Harry Cowan, Allison Goodfollow, Agnes Persud,
Barbara Edwards and Ron Fitzpatrick.
For Montreal Director Pam Rosholt signed John Rodger
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. Last NetLetter we gave you some information about the Dreams Take Flight,
perhaps you would want know about the aircraft CF-TCC -
The L10A was the first type of aircraft ever flown by Air Canada's
pioneering predecessor, Trans-Canada Air Lines (TCA). The aircraft is not
a   replica, but the original reconstructed aircraft. It was the last of 5
purchased by TCA and sold to the Canadian Government in 1939, who turned it
over to the RCAF as part of the war effort. Following that, it was sold 
again, and went from owner to owner during some 40 years.
In 1975, a retired Air Canada employee recognised it at a Texas Air Show 
when he saw the registration CF-TCC through the paintwork. Air Canada 
repurchased the aircraft in 1983 and rejuvenated and refurbished it. Pratt
&   Whitney Canada arranged for the complete overhaul of its two engines and
for   furnishing accessories and spares.
The aircraft holds 9 passengers and a crew of 2, the wing span is 55 foot,
Length is 38 foot 7 inches and it cruises at 160 mph.  

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. Found on the internet.
AIRCRAFT ORDERS
Lufthansa has placed a firm order for 60 728JET from Fairchild Aerospace
(formerly Fairchild Dornier) valued at USD 1.6 billions. The airline also
took options for a further 60 aircraft. The 728JET is a 70-seat stretched
derivative of Fairchild's 328JET regional jet aircraft. The 32-seat 328JET
is a redesigned version of Dornier's 328 turboprop aircraft fitted with
turbofan engines.

Dutch carrier Transavia Airlines has placed an order with Boeing for four
Next Generation 737-800s and 12 options. Transavia operates scheduled and
charter flights with an all Boeing 737 fleet.

Italy's Air Europe has joined the Qualiflyer Group alliance led by Swissair.
The other companies in the alliance are Sabena, Crossair, AOM, Air Littoral,
TAP Air Portugal, Turkish Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lauda Air and
Tyrolean Airlines. Swissair has also confirmed it is in talks with South
African Airways (SAA) regarding the later joining Qualiflyer. If the
arrival   of SAA into the Qualiflyer Group is concerned, this will be the
first blow
to the Star Alliance that had counted on adding SAA as one of its members.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Air Canada said it will not resume suspended flights to   Delhi,
which it had earlier planned to restart in October.

If you are planning an Alaska cruise out of Vancouver, why not start
your    trip from Calgary, Jasper or Banff and take the Rocky Mountaineer
Railtours.
This is a 2 day event with assigned seating. A selection of cold
breakfasts and lunches served onboard each day. Complimentary snack and
non-alcoholic beverages served at your seat. One night moderate hotel
accommodation in Kamloops. Transfers between the train station in
Kamloops    - there is even an optional Two River Junction dinner and
Musical ride.
Why not journey throughout the Canadian Rockies by rail - call Dargal at
1-800-690-3223

Duane Frerichs, who produces RAPCAN newsletter, tells us that -
At the Park and Fly at Ottawa International Airport the
attendant made inquiries and a discount is offered upon presentation
of an  Air Canada ID.
The Transport to and from the Airport was efficient and pleasant.
A call may be made from any phone on an (877) number, toll free,
if the bus is not in sight.

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. Smilie.
Gord Dalziel sends these -
A nice lady just called. She needed to know how it was possible
that her flight from Detroit left at 8:20am and got into Chicago at 8:33am.
I tried to explain that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois, but she
could not understand the concept of time zones.
Finally I told her the plane went very fast, and she bought that!

A woman called and asked, "Do airlines put your physical description on your
bag so they know whose luggage belongs to who?" I said, "No, why do you
ask?" She replied,"Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag
on my luggage that said FAT, and I'm overweight, is there any connection?"
After putting her on hold for a minute while I "looked into it"
(I was actually laughing) I came back and explained the city code for
Fresno is FAT, and that the airline was just putting a destination tag on
her luggage.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acfamily.net/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 375   date June 9th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome -
John H. Noel  (Howie) retired Mgr. Mtce Tech Publications & Program
Support lives in St. Lazare,  Quebec
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Barry Gard retired captain lives in  Stroud, On
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Edna Rachuk is the wife of Len Rachuk, Customer Service Training Dept.
Now long retired, lives in Richmond, BC
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Wayne L Hilson retired Flight Crew Scheduler lives in Vancouver, BC'
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. Where are they now?
Betty-Lou Lynn is now at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Lionel Musgrove is now at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

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. Oops!
Linda Kwoon wishes to elucidate on the information we had in NetLetter 368
with regards to the Travel Guide.
It should have read:
If by mistake, you have received a copy of "Your Travel Guide" in
other than the language of your choice, please contact James Morrow
at the Pensions office. 
Your Company records will be corrected and a new copy forwarded
to you.
Linda "Linda Kwoon"<This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Ron Peel sends this comment -
I join others in also thanking Linda Kwoon for authoritative information
on contingent pass travel. I think an article in Horizons by Industry
Travel is warranted to overcome the current "employees come before
retirees" misunderstanding by Company personnel and especially Passenger
Agents.

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. Whats on and where!
Compiled by Vesta -

Sunday June 13, 1999
Ottawa, Pionairs Brunch monthly - PlaceNextDoor 320 Rideau St.
info 841-7091
Tuesday June 15, 1999
Burlingame California Retirees & Pionairs monthly meeting at
11am Air Canada office all welcome
Wednesday June 16, 1999
BurOak Pionairs Grp, 10:30am at Mother Tuckers Market Place,
QEW South Service Rd between Walkers's and Guelph lines
Burlington Ontario
St Catherine AC Retirees & Pionairs meet at 10am Sweets and Crepes Cafe,
Ontario St & Lakeport. Contact Colin Bailey 935-3970
Friday June 18, 1999
1999 Montreal Pionairs Bus Tour - Gross-Ile Quebec City Region
see NetLetter 359 for more information
contact Ben Vezina 514-697-1037
Ottawa, AC retirees & Pionairs KoffeeKlatsches weekly at 10 am,
Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping.
Saturday June 19, 1999
Hamilton Air Show
Sunday June 20, 1999
Hamilton Air Show
Monday June 21, 1999
99 System Pionairs Invitation to Golf - at Bell Bay Baddeck,
Cape Breton NS more info in NetLetter #341
Wednesday June 23, 1999
St Catherine AC Retirees & Pionairs meet at 10am Sweets and Crepes Cafe,
Ontario St & Lakeport. Contact Colin Bailey 935-3970
Thursday June 24, 1999
Comox, Van Isle Pionairs monthly contacts Ralph Tisdall at 250-338-5788
or email Heather_This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. for location.

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. Mystery solved!
To answer the query re the Logo put by Sheila Moscoe in NetLetter 374 -
Charles & Diana Shnider came through -
To answer your Mt. Tolmie question, the home belongs to Al Wilson who
was Air Canada's Station Manager, YYJ until retirement in 1974.  His
wife, Georgina, is a wonderful floral arranger and flowers are her
passion.  Incidentally Al tells me that his son picked up an AC sign at
a garage sale and so far he has used only the logo.  Seems his wife
objects to his usuing the whole sign. Happy to solve the mystery,
sincerely, Chuck Shnider YYJ, formerly YWG Sales retired..
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. Sheldon Doskie recently took a couple of cruises - here's his impressions.
As for my cruises, the first one was excellent. It was a 16-day cruise
from Acapulco to New York via the Panama canal. Dargal had matched me up
with an A.C. retiree in San Francisco who turned out to be an excellent
cabin-mate. We met several other airline employees on the cruise as well.
Gerry Philbrook who worked in the Pass Bureau in YUL was there, whom I
hadn't seen in years! He does some marketing for Dargal.
The food could not be better and there was plenty of it. The crew went
to every length necessary to ensure that everyone enjoyed the cruise.
There was good quality entertainment every night, the weather was perfect
and the passengers were most freindly and sociable. There were also plenty
of daytime activities planned for anyone to take part in.
While on the cruise, Gerry passed around info sheets about upcoming cruises
that Dargal was selling and one of them was the Osaka-YVR cruise for $513.00
U.S. which included port fees. It sounded like a steal, so after I got home
and thought about it for a few days, I decided to go for it. It was
a re-positioning cruise.

After booking it with Dargal, I found that the flights to Osaka were
all oversold up to four days before the cruise date, and I knew that hotels
in Japan were expensive. Anyway, I decided to try for the Thursday flight
which got in on Friday (the ship was to sail on Monday).
I just made that flight, many lesser priority cons being left behind.
That meant 3 nights hotel in Osaka. I stayed at the hotel at the airport
which was a top-notch hotel. They offered airline employees a special rate
of 17000 Yen per night which is about $140.00 Cdn.
There was a restaurant in the hotel which had an all-you-can-eat lunch
buffet for 2200 Yen (about $30.00 Cdn) which I had on Saturday & Sunday, so
I was able to keep my expenses to a minimum.
The bus fare from the airport to the Pier was about $20.00 Cdn. Considering
how full the flights were, I was glad to pay the extra nights and not have
to worry about not making the flight.

As for the cruise itself, The food was also great and plenty of it as well.
The problem that I had on it was my cabin. It was an outside cabin right at
water level, which meant that I had a hard time sleeping because of the
noise. It was constant all the way across. I was alright up until the last
2 or 3 days of the cruise when the lack of sleep caught up with me and I
started to feel run down. By the time we docked in YVR I was in terrible
shape. My lungs felt full of fluid and I was coughing & sneezing and just
felt exhausted. I got home and went staight to bed. For the most part, I'm
okay now. I still cough a bit but not nearly as bad as before.
By the way, Kay & Syl Napolitano were on the cruise as well.
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*******A N N O U N C E M E N T*******

We are please to announce the Internet presence of
the Retired Airline Pilots of Canada (RAPCAN) at
http://www.acfamily.net/rapcan/
This brings an added dimension to the delivery of
information to the members the association.  The website
compliments the existing print RAPCAN News and the
NetLetter
*  Tom Grant  *  Alan Rust  *   Capt. Duane Frerichs  *
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. 1999 CONVENTION of the CAHS -
THE CANADIAN AVIATION HISTORICAL SOCIETY
36th Annual Convention and General Meeting
Held Jointly with
The 5th ANNUAL AIR FORCE HISTORICAL CONFERENCE
Wednesday, 23 June to Saturday 26 June, 1999.

COME, MEET YOUR FRIENDS,
AND ENJOY AN EXCITING HISTORICAL PROGRAMME!

The 1999 Canadian Aviation Historical Society (CAHS) National
Convention and Annual General Meeting will take place at
Canadian Forces Base Borden, 60 miles north of Toronto. The
convention/conference is jointly sponsored by the Toronto
Chapter of the CAHS and 1 Canadian Air Division's Air Force
Heritage and History Section (AFHH).

ACCOMMODATION will be available on the Base, and if necessary, at a modest
surcharge, at Georgian College, Barrie. In addition, excellent commercial
motel accommodation is available in Alliston, 9 miles from the Base.
MEALS will be served at the Maple Conference Centre, formerly the RCAF
Officers' Mess.
TRANSPORTATION from Pearson (Toronto) International Airport is available,
on request, for those who are arriving by Air.
COST: Option 1 - Full Package.
$50 per person, per day; plus one-time $30 registration fee per person;
includes accommodation (two to a room at CFB Borden); breakfast, lunch and
dinner at the Maple Conference Centre; Meet and Greet (BBQ) on Wednesday
(23 June); Banquet on Friday (25 June); breakfast on Saturday (26 June);
coffee breaks, VIP ticket for the Air Show (26 June); tours, transportation
as required; and a copy of the Proceedings.
Other accommodation and meal Options are available on request.
For more information:
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.  Here's a happy passenger for CF-TCC -

Yesterday had the pleasure of taking my 2 sons in law for a ride on
the TCA L10a CF-TCC. What a kick!
Due to a local thunderstorm we sat on the apron of 24L at YUL for 35
minutes waiting for a clear spot for our sight seeing trip around
Montreal.  We were entertained by a host of in bound traffic from
Dash-8's to A340's and some entertaining banter from our crew.
We took of in a roar of Pratt & Whitney power and did a 40 minute tour
of the Ottawa valley and downtown Montreal.
That has to be the best 40 minutes I've ever spent as a passenger.
I have been on many aircraft types in the last 40 years from Viscounts
to Cessna Citations, but old CF-TCC gives you very real sense of
flying and history.
I recommend that anyone who gets a chance to participate in the Dreams
Take Flight tours, jump at it, its is worth every penny.
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. Terry's Travel Tips.
Canadian Interline offerings -
Mexico Specials!  Need a quick break?
Leeward - 4 Night Mexico from Miami
Itinerary:  Miami, Cozumel, Key West, Miami
Departure Dates:  Jul 5, 12, & 19/99
Inside cabin from $359USD, ppdbl, Outside cabin from $409-429USD, ppdbl
plus  $93USD Port charges per person
and
Departure Dates:  Aug 30, Sep 6, 13, 20, 27, October 4/99
Inside cabin from $239USD, ppdbl, Outside cabin from $289-309USD, ppdbl
plus  $93USD Port charges per person

Trans Atlantic - Norwegian Cruise Lines
August 8, 1999 - ss Norway - 13 Night Cruise Southampton to Miami
Itinerary:  Southampton, England, St George's Channel, Dublin Ireland,
Solar Eclipse Cruising, Sail past Statue of Liberty, New York City, Miami
Inside cabin from $819USD, ppdbl, Outside cabin from $1019USD,ppdbl
plus  $218USD Port charges per person

Call Canadian interline Travel to take advantage
of these special rates at 1-800-665-3100!!!

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. Smilies.
Gord Dalziel also sent us these -
A business man called and had a question about the documents he needed in
order to fly to China. After a lengthy discussion about passports, I
reminded him he needed a visa. "Oh no I don't, I've been to China many
times and never had to have one of those."
I double checked, and sure enough, his stay required a visa.
When I told him this he said, "Look, I've been to China 4 times and every
time they have accepted my American Express."

A woman called to make reservations, "I want to go from Chicago
to Hippopotamus, New York"  The agent was at a loss for words. Finally, the
agent: "Are you sure that's the name of the town?" "Yes, what flights do
you have?" replied the customer.
After  some searching, the agent came back with, "I'm sorry, ma'am,
I've looked up every every airport code in the country and can't find a
Hippopotamus anywhere." The customer retorted, "Oh don't be silly. Everyone
knows where it is. "Check your map!" The agent scoured a map of the state of
New York and finally offered, "You don't mean Buffalo, do you?"
"That's it!   I knew it  was a big animal!"


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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
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number 374   date June 6th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome
Jean Haran retired captain living in St. Laurent, Qc
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. Gordon Froede sends this -
I think Linda Kwoon of Industry Travel needs a big THANK YOU from the
Netletter readership for doing such a super job of anticipating and
answering retirees' questions/concerns - no one else in Industry Travel
has ever taken the time and interest to do that.
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(A sentiment heartily endorsed by the editors)

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. Where are they now?
Peter Sparkes hasa changed ISP to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  formerly
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.   North York ON

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. News from the Districts.
From the Okanagan newsletter, a first effort by Bernie Danis -
New Executive Committee
Director             Ron Goran               712-9723
Historian            Doug Armitage           767-3367
Newsletter           Bernie Danis            707-0947
Secretary            Rosemary Jobson         763-1495
Social               Joe Cormier             769-3267
Treasurer            Tony Bestick            712-0615

Our fall wine luncheon and tour last September at the Summerhill Estate
Winery was attended by 55 members and guests.The weatherman cooperated and
all enjoyed the great view of the surrounding area. The wine tour was
informative and the tasting a treat.

The fourth annual Christmas party was held December 7 past at the Ramada
Lodge Inn in Kelowna and was a success, attended by 88 members and guests.
We were treated to a traditional turkey dinner with all the trimmings,
complete with entertainment by the Peachstones.
Nice to see so many members out for this festive event.

The seventh annual Valentine`s luncheon and annual general
meeting was held on February the 14th at the Ramada Lodge Inn in Kelowna,
and attended by 90 members and guests. Special guests Olie and Mary Moore,
our National Executive President and Secretary from Toronto joined us and
both provided timely updates on the Vancouver AGM. April 25 to 27 1999,
and other topics of interest to our members.
Thank you to Pierre Gauthier for another masterful master of
ceremony performance enjoyed by all.

Forthcoming Events
June 09,1999
At the Ornamental Gardens and Interpretive Centre in Summerland Cold
buffet lunch at 1200 hrs. Guided walking tour of picturesque gardens from
1330 to 1430 hrs. All inclusive cost of $10.50
September 15, 1999
Kelowna Land and Orchard Co. 3002 Dunster Rd. Kelowna Tel:250-763-1091
Wagon sit down tour at 1100 hrs. Lunch at the Bunkhouse at 1300 hrs.
Soup and sandwich buffet Cost:$12.50 all inclusive
Contact  Tony Bestick  tel: 250-712-0615  for more information.
December 06, 1999
Christmas luncheon at the Ramada Lodge Inn Kelowna.
February 14, 2000
Valentine luncheon and annual general meeting Ramada Lodge Inn Kelowna

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. Loretta Blencowe in Toronto sends this information -
Dreams Take Flight - CF-TCC L10A Flights - 1999
Catching a brid's eye view of Toronto in the Lockheed 10A.
To help raise funds for next years Dreams Take Flight airlift of sick
and disadvantaged children to Disney for a day, Air Canada has donated the
aircraft, while all the Air Canada and Air Ontario employees working on
these special fundraising flights will be volunteering their off-duty
time - including the pilots.
The flights will depart from the City Centre Airport June 24 thru 27th.
Four 40-minute L10A flights are being oferred each day for $100.00 a seat.
For more information contact Linda Hutson:
(416)447-5246 or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Sheila Moscoe sends us an update on the YYZ 'T2CK' meeting -
Well, we had another successful T2 Coffee Klatch or "T2CK" today.
The wx was terrible with heavy rains, but we still had a turnout of over 20.
Everyone was glad to see each other with hugs and kisses.  The group is
so appreciative of having these get-togethers and they always thank me.
However, I thank them for coming out.  Betty Foster won the $20 food
voucher for the Golden Griddle. And Peter Bogart from New York State
attended as well.

Anyhow, there is something else interesting about the cruise I took on
the Dawn Princess (May 19-22).  When we were in YYJ, my friend and I
took a double decker bus tour of the city and we went to Mt. Tolmie.  On
our way down from the mountain, the guide pointed out the house on the
left with the magnificent garden.  Well, just above the door was a huge
Air Canada red logo!!!!  You can imagine my surprise when I shouted out
"that's my company's logo"!  Do you know who lives in this house with
the magnificent garden?  Just wondering.....
That's it for today.  Sheila  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(Anyone in YYJ have any ideas about the logo? Let us know - eds)

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. Ross Smyth sends us this -
Subject: Plusing
Reading Bill Norberg's experiences of plusing in the early days reminded
me that I got bumped for two weeks in London in the North Star days and,
being on a dispatcher route fam, I could ride up front with the crew - but
there was a weight problem and strong westerly winds over the North
Atlantic. I stayed at the same hotel as the flight crews, many of whom were
surprised to see me again on their next trip over. Had lots of time for
sightseeing and poker.    I wonder if anyone has been bumped longer?
Ross This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(Anyone want to tell us about some funny 'plusing' trips? - eds)

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. Found on the internet.
The new silverware introduced by British Airways for its coach class
dining service is so appreciated by passengers that 6,000 spoons, forks
and knives have disappeared in April alone, according to the carrier.
A spokeswoman for British Airways said passengers bound for Sydney,
Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur seemed to be the most "appreciative" of the
grey and blue design of the set. Sydney holds a record of sorts since
more than 1,000 pieces of silverware disappeared in a single day on
British Airways' three daily flights to the Australian city.

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. Brian Dunn has this information in his email newsletter from YYZ -
TAROM of Romania will be commenced a new scheduled air service to
Canada on June 2nd with two A310 flights per week linking Montreal with
Bucharest.
Continental Airlines will commence a daily 737-500 flight between
Newark and Halifax on 10th of June for the peak summer period.  This
will give them two flights per day because Continental Express already
operates daily with an EMJ-145.

For those of you who may have seen the Airbus Super Transporter at
YYZ on the 16th and 17th of May, it was bringing in a new horizontal
stabilizer for an Air Canada A319.  The aircraft (FIN266) was climbing
out of YYZ on May 7th enroute to Ottawa when the engine cowlings came
off and did severe damage to the horizontal stabilizer and the leading
edge flaps.  The aircraft has now re-entered service.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Here's a great deal from Dargal Interline Cruises & Tours -

June 16 and June 30 ~ 7 Days ~ Carnival  "Fun Ship" Jubilee
Seward, Cruise Prince William Sound, View College Fjord and Columbia
Glacier Valdez, Cruise Yakutat Bay and View Hubbard Glacier, Cruise Lynn
Canal Skagway, Juneau, Ketchikan, Cruise Inside Passage, Vancouver
Best Available Stateroom $900 3rd and 4th guests $500
*****  Includes Positive Air******
June 23 ~ 7 Days ~ Carnival "Fun Ship" Jubilee
Vancouver, Cruise Inside Passage, Ketchikan, Cruise Endicott or Tracy Arm
Juneau, Skagway, Cruise Lynn Canal, Sitka, Cruise Prince William Sound
View Columbia Glacier and College Fjord, Seward
Best Available Stateroom $900 3rd and 4th guests $500
***** Includes Positive Air******

*Air transportation from Los Angeles, Phoenix, Portland
San Francisco, Seattle, Tucson and Vancouver

All rates are US$ pp/dbl, subject to availability and eligibility.
New bookings only. Port charges/Govt fees are additional.
For more information on this and other specials - contact us at:
DARGAL Interline 1-800-690-3223 Canada (250) 861-3223 Fax (250) 861-3283

Bernie Danis, editor of the Okanagan newsletter tells us the Duty free
shop Alders at YVR offers 10% off liquor purchases with Air Canada ID.

Alan Rust keeps us up to date with Air Canada news -
Air Canada is increasing frequencies on two profitable Canada-U.K. routes
this fall. Effective October 31st, service from Ottawa to London, U.K.
will increase from three to five weekly non-stop.
Two additional flights will be added to the Toronto-London route, for a
total of 18 weekly frequencies.
This capacity increase results from the redeployment of the aircraft
assigned to the London-Delhi route, which Air Canada will no longer serve.

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. Smilie.
Gord Dalziel sends these
I just got off the phone with a man who asked, "How do I know which plane
to get on?" I asked him what exactly he meant, which  he replied,  "I was
told my flight number is 823, but none of  these damn planes have numbers
on them."

A woman called and said, "I need to fly to pepsi-cola on one of those
computer planes." I asked if she ment to fly to Pensacola  on a commuter
plane. She said, "Yeah, whatever."

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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. Need to know.
Linda Kwoon, Coordinator Industry Travel YUL sends this info -
Those of you who wish to receive a French version of the recent Travel
Guide, should contact:
James Morrow, General Clerk at (204) 941-2551
or send an email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Robert Mitchell has a new e-mail address;   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Fraser Muir sends this information -
Subject: TCA/AC Memorabilia

I have been asked on several occasions, when and where the
Memorabilia Display will be setup. At present there is no schedule.
However, for those interested in viewing it in the YUL area....I was
advised there will be a second annual "Open House" at the AC
Headquarters building at the Dorval Base on July 16. The display will be
set up on the 7th floor.

Last week I went to Alexandria to pick up two Hudson Bay blankets and a
food tray from Mary Harker, widow of Gordon; just as I was leaving she
said "I don't suppose you'd be interested in this", and she handed me a
TCA umbrella, in perfect working order. I could have hugged her.
Mary is a real Classy, Charming Lady, I'm sure she would appreciate
hearing from friends she knew from the past.
Her address is....Mary Harker,
Group Box 351,
RR 3,
Alexandria, Ont., K0C-1A0.

I would also like to receive any memorbilia, either donated or on loan.
I'll take anything and everything that people have.
I assure you and the Donors, that I'll give their "TCA/AC Treasures" a
good home. One that will tell the stories of our own lives to future
generations.
Immediate plans that AC have regarding this project include:
- Tranferring the storage site from the Power Plant to the new building on
de Maisoneuve, in Montreal.
- Hiring the services of a Curator, an Archivist, and a Summer Student to
indentify, and catalogue the many items.
- The move also includes office space, storage space, two computers....
Hey everyone this is great News!!!!
This should go a long way to eliminate the ones that don't think the
company is serious.
This is our past livelihood being captured - sort out those cupboards.
Every Pionair District has a volunteer to contact for the Memorabilia
Project, or contact Fraser direct.
Regards Fraser  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Found on the internet.

YEAH, BABY!  VIRGIN ATLANTIC CHRISTENS "AUSTIN POWERS" 747:
Virgin Atlantic founder Richard Branson dedicated one of his Boeing 747s
to British secret agent Austin Powers last week at LAX.  The 747 is painted
with the name AUSTIN POWERED along with a picture of a reclining Powers.
Branson did not say whether the 747 will come equipped with the rotating
circular bed featured in the first Austin Powers movie.

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. Diane Carignan, Employee Communications sends us this -
Life gets easier for travellers to Australia.
The Electronic Travel Authority (ETA) can now be processed by Air Canada
at airports. This allows Customer Sales and Service Agents to confirm if a
customer has a visa for Australia. If not, an application for an ETA
can be made on the spot.

Air Canada team granted a full ground handling license at Heathrow.
After months of effort, stringent criteria for ground handling service
providers was established by Heathrow's Airline Users Committee. Competing
with over 600 companies operating airside--ranging from full ground
handlers to companies with one or two vehicles--Air Canada is one of the
first of 11 companies to be granted a full ground handlers' license.

To make travel easier, British Airways recently began offering travel
loans of between US $800-$24,000. The two-year term, 15.0% interest
charging loans are offered at BA travel shops in Britain. Interest fees
are waived if customers repay the loan in full within three months.

Aer Lingus plans to join oneworld.
LanChile SA contemplates oneworld membership.

Y2K news
Virgin Atlantic Airways will cool its jets on December 31, 1999.
The airline will ground its fleet of 24 aircraft from December 31, 1999
until midday, January 1, 2000. It denies the Y2K bug is to blame.
Customers and employees, they feel, prefer to celebrate at home with
friends and relatives. Virgin is the first British carrier to cancel
flights to North America.

African airports face ban due to lack of Year 2000 data.

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. A-Crew Site Moved

The ever expanding A-Crew site (Air Canada Retired Employees Web)
has moved to a new location and is now part of the AC Family Network.
The new URL is: http://www.acfamily.net/acrew/  Tom Grant is the Webmaster
and can now be contacted by sending mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Coming ACRA Events - 1999

June 15-17/99   - YVR System Softball Tournament
June 20/99      - LHR London to Brighton Cycle Ride
July/99         - YVR Golf (local)
Aug/99          - YVR Splashdown Park (local)
Aug 2/99        - LHR Riverboat Shuffle
Aug 14/99       - FRA Rhine River Cruise
Sept. 9-11/99   - YYC System Soccer Tournament
Sept 12-15/99   - YWG System Golf Tournament
Oct 15-7/99     - YVR System Darts Tournament
Oct 28-31/99    - TPA System Bicycle Road Race
Oct 30-Nov 1/99 - LHR Belgian Beer Festival
Nov 4-6/99      - YWG System Badminton (no further info)
Dec/99 (TBA)    - YVR Breakfast with Santa
Dec 6/99        - LHR Christmas Dinner

Details of the above events can be found at:
http://www.acra.ca/events/calendar.htm

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. Terry's travrl tips.
DISNEY'S BACK!  August 15th through April 2000!
School Holidays are coming and Disney Cruises are now available.
3 and 4 Day Cruises from $289.50!
Port Canaveral, Nassau, Castaway Cay, Port Canaveral.
Friday and Sunday Sailings.
Deposit Now to avoid blackout Dates.
All rates are US$ pp/dbl, subject to availability and eligibility.
New bookings only.
Port charges/Govt fees are additional.
For more information on this and other specials
- contact us at: DARGAL Interline 1-800-690-3223

Destination Australia
Canadian interline Travel offers these special rates.
Interliner Independent Travel Options.
Modules offering independent touring totally independent
of any group tour arrangements.  They offer independence
and piece of mind as everything is pre-booked, confirmed
and pre-paid and flexible.  Airfare is not included.
- 8 Day / 7 Night Sydney - Cairns Stopover - Departure Daily
Standard Accommodations - $869USD  pp dbl
First Class Accommodation - $1039USD pp dbl
Deluxe Accommodation - $1269USD pp dbl.
Inclusions:
*  7 Nights Accommodation, Luncheon Cruise Sydney Harbour
The Blue Mountains Sightseeing Tour,  Outer barrier Reef Cruise
Cape Tribulation National Park Sightseeing Tour, Stay Tropical Cairns
Pamagirri Aboriginal Dancers Live Show, Skyrail Rainforest Cableway
Visit to the National Wildlife Park - Koalas, Kangaroos, Emus
Airport Transfers,  Luxury air-conditioned Touring.
Combination Stopovers Add Ons -
4 Days/3 Nights Alice Springs & Ayers Rock
4 Day/3 Night Outback Tour Darwin & Kakadu
Airfare:
We can offer interliners international airfare Positive Space
Los Angeles - Sydney return
- Airline employees from $629USD per person. plus $50.00USD tax
- Companion fares from $749USD per person, plus $50.00USD tax
Call Canadian interline Travel to take advantage
of these special rates at 1-800-665-3100!!!

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. Smilie,.
We mentioned that our Smilie jar was empty, so Lawson Tremellen sends
this groaner -
The flight attendant had passed with the hot and cold drink cart and was
also handing out biscuits and peanuts. This one male passenger was enjoying
his drink when he heard a soft voice say, " That is a very nice tie you're
wearing." He looked around and no one was even looking at him. After a few
minutes he hears the voice say," I really like your suit."  He is now
getting really rattled since he still cannot see anyone speaking to him.
As the flight attendant walks he tells her about the voice and what he had
heard. "Take no notice," she told him " it happens quite frequently. It's
the peanuts they're complimentary."

From the RAPCAN newsletter -
IT'S ON FINAL!  NO, IT'S NOT!!
Comes now this story of Canada 3000 Airlines' inaugural service from
Victoria, B.C., to Toronto and on to Winnipeg.  Seems that a pedestrian
managed to wander out to the runway at Victoria (YYJ), interfering with the
arrival of C3K's Airbus A320, forcing it to go around.
Said a gate agent: "It's on final!"  Then, "No it's not!"
No word was available on whether the pedestrian had a bad hair day.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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