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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 367   date May 16th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome
Jean-Gilles  Guénette retired Chief Mechanic lives in Sainte-Jerome, Qc
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Ray Field who has an email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Need to know.
Albert Laing sends this information -
Subject: netletter #365 - AC I.D. Cards
I questioned LINDA KWOON (Cordinator Industry Travel) as to when the
U.S.retirees would be included in the program/e is the reply -
QUOTE: DEAR MR LAING
WE ARE CURRENTLY COORDINATING WITH JOHN LEMAY IN TAMPA
TO REQUEST PHOTO AND SIGNATURE FROM RETIREES RESIDING IN
THE USA AND INTERNATIONAL. REGARDS LINDA UNQUOTE.
REGARDS BERT LAING - LAX This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. News from the districts.
Sheila Moscoe sends info re the YYZ T2  Coffee Klatch
We had a successful get-together on the 4th.  Almost standing
room only!  A gal who joined us in the 60's and left after about 5 years
of service, heard about our monthly get-togethers.  She had a ball!
Also, she won the $20 gift voucher from the Golden Griddle.
Sheila This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Barry Gard had changed his ISP and his email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Pamela Rosholt, Director Montreal Pionairs new email  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Chuck Campbell has moved to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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From the London England monthly newsletter -
Coming events -
18th May     -  ACRA theatre visit to see 'Mamma Mia'
21st Jun     -  ACRA theatre visit to see 'Chicago'
Planned      -  Visit to RAF Uxbridge. Tour of wartime control room etc.
Early Sept   -  Evening tour of London.
29/30th Sept -  Viva Vancouver visit to Vancouver BC
Dec          -  Christmas lunch.

The canal cruise planned for May has been cancelled as the boat and size
did not come up to the standards set by the Pionairs organisers.

The recent coach trip to Bruges was a great success, so much so, that
another is being planned, but to Ypres this time.
David & Tessa Williams wrote an excellent article on the trip, much too
long to repeat here, but here are some heavily editted excerts -
Boarding the bus at The Heathrow Park hotel 06.30, the trip took them to
Folkstone and a 20 minute trip through the Channel Tunnel to Calais.
Bruges is the capital of West Flanders in nw Belgium and about 10 miles
from the North Sea. The old section has many old twisting streets and a
large market square. The city is likened to a small version of Venice.
Excellent and inexpensive eating can be had in Bruges, and a visit to the
chocolate shop to stock up on one of Belgium's famous products.
Unfortunately there was not enough time to really explore the city and it
would be worth an overnight stop - perhaps another time.
The return included a stop at the Hypermarket and duty free at Calais,
then through the tunnel back to Heathrow arriving at 23.00/ A long but
enjoyable day.

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. Found on the internet.
Long-haul airline passengers get coddling -
When they arrive at London Heathrow airport, British Airways has spruced
up its arrival lounge in terminal 4 with the addition of a Travel Spa where
one can go and get a massage, have a work out or perhapshave a beauty
treatment plus enjoy the relaxing specially scented aromas to help relax.
Most travellers arriving on the overnight flights are right into their
work day, and this will help them to prepare and be at their best!
Only for first and business class passengers so far.
(Cons will have to make do with handy-wipes! - eds)

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. Alan Rust, administrator of the AC Family network sends this -
British Airways said today it will go easy on a flight attendant who
stripped to her underwear and ran around the outside of a plane at Genoa
airport after losing a bet with the captain.
News reports said the 23-year-old flight attendant aboard the flight from
London had bet the pilot that he couldn't land ahead of schedule at Genoa's
Christopher Columbus airport Sunday night.
But he brought the aircraft in to land almost a half hour early, so the
flight attendant, who has not been identified, stripped to her underwear
and, wearing the captain's hat and a yellow flight vest, ran around the
plane.
All the passengers had disembarked, but the stunt was witnessed by baggage
handlers and other crew.
Alan Rust
(No wonder BA can't have on-time baggage delivery! - eds)

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. Some ACRA events planned by the ACRA in the UK -
Sunday June 20th -
A team from LHR Air Canada will take part in the London to Brighton
Charity Bike Ride in aid of the British Health Foundation.
Contact Phil Cook of Air Canada Cargo LHR extn. 4243 for more details.
The Annual Boat Shuffle is planned for Monday August 2nd - always a popular
event. From Kew bridge to Westminster and back on the River Thames.
Departs 19:30 cost GBP10.00, guests GBP12.00 includes chicken n chips for
supper and a disco.
ACRA Belgium Beer Fest '99 will be held October 30-Nov 1st.
Accommodations will be at the Hotel du Parc, Ostende, Belgium

This and other ACRA system wide events view the web site
http://www.acra.ca
Alan Rust, Publicity Chairman (YVR) and Webmaster, ACRA,
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. Terry's travel tips.

Last fall, United Airlines told its passengers in effect they'd better
have an accurate tape measure for their carry-on luggage.
Recently, they stated that they require the passengers watches had better
be in good operating order too.
The worlds largest airline, which it admits it has a world-class problem
meeting its departure and arrival schedule, says it will begin demanding
passengers to be on board and in their seats 10 minutes before the
scheduled departure time.
And just to make certain everyone hits the deadline, the airline says it
will shut the doors to the aircraft 5 minutes before departure.
(As cons are usually the last to get on - pack a pair of runners! - eds)

If traveling in the Seattle area, why not take in the world famous
Museum of Flioght featuring 54 of the world's most awe-inspiring aircraft,
authentic and in mint condition.
Admission Adults us$8.00 seniors us$7.00

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. Smilie.
While working as a volunteer at a local Boy Scout Council office, one
of the professional staff -- who was wearing street clothes instead of
her usual uniform -- was talking about the International Phonetic
Alphabet.  She said that she had learned it some years ago and proceeded
to recite it.  "Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta..."  But, when she got to
the letter "U," she stumbled and asked for help.
I offered a hint: "What aren't you wearing today?"
"Underwear?" she replied.

John Gomes sends this -
Seems that a year ago, some Boeing employees on the field decided
to steal a life raft from one of the 747s. They were successful
in getting it out of the plane and home. When they took it for
a float on the River, they were quite surprised by a Coast Guard
helicopter coming towards them. It turned out that the chopper
was homing in on the emergency locator that is activated when
the raft is inflated. They are no longer employed there.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Mailing of this  "NetLetter" is courtesy of Alan Rust administrator of
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number 366   date May 12th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome
Francis Casamayou retired CAVT lives in St. Hubert, Qc
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H.F. (Bob) O'Toole  who joined TCA on July 2, 1948 and retired
April 30,1983. Bob reired as a computer programmer in YYZ
and lives in Shad Bay, Nova Scotia  with his wife Margaret (Peg).
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. Need to know.
*** SPECIAL FAMILY AFFAIR SELLOFFS ***
These special fares are offered to all persons who are eligible for the
Family Affair program.
They are also listed on ACRA's WWW site at:
http://www.acra.ca/member/affair/selloffs.htm
Selloff -Calgary to Frankfurt
Valid on AC 844/845 only (YYC-FRA)
Travel period  - on/before 31May99
Advance Purchase/ticketing - res required within 14 days of departure
Min/Max - first Fri or Sat night / 60 days
Selloff - COPENHAGEN**
Markets: All AC/ACC (ZX/GX/3J/NV) Points in Canada and the USA
to/from Copenhagen (CPH)
Fare type: economy class, round-trip
Travel period  - on/after 01May99 & on/before 12Jun99
Advance Purchase/ticketing - res required within 14 days of departure
Min/Max - first Fri or Sat night / 60 days
Fare grid (to/from CDA-CPH)
AB/BC    SK/MB     ON     QC    MARIT
$389     $389     $239   $239   $239
Fare Grid (to/from CPH-USA)
NW    SW     N MID    S MID     NE     SE
$389  $389    $239     $239     $239   $239
Note all fares are in Canadian funds.
Exceptions Florida/Hawaii are excluded from US zones.
Please use end on end combinations to construct fares
All other conditions are as per regular Family Affair program
i.e. Advance purchase/min max stay/ticketing, etc.
*** Important:
all reservations ***must*** be made through the Employee Call Centre.

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. News from the districts.
David Livingstone sends this information -
The New Brunswick District Spring Lunch will be held at 1300 hrs
Thursday May 27 at the Timberland Motor Inn and Restaurant, Penobsquis NB.
Any visiting Pionairs/Retirees and spouses are welcome.
Please contact Frank Cogger, (506) 672-2159
Regards - David  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. From: Tom Grant  Editor <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
A-Crew website is pleased to announce a no-charge, value-added service for
its registered readers - "A-Crew links to retiree's business or hobby
websites."
From a separate link page we will list retirees who run businesses or
hobbies that have webpages.
This free service is available to all retirees registered with the A-Crew
website. If you wish to be included, please  send your URL to
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If you do not have a webpage and would like one, we invite you to contact
ACFAMILY NETWORK <http://www.ACFamily.net> who specialize in low-cost
Internet presence for Air Canada employees and retirees.
Regards, Tom Grant, Editor

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. Jeff Martin has this question -
Subject: SERVICE AWARDS
Having digested the welcomed "Your Travel Guide", I called the Centre to
finally use my award ticket and followed Chapter 8-2.  I called back a week
later to ask if the authorization had been completed and was advised this
would only be done one week prior to departure! 
I registered 5 weeks prior to my departure date and presumed that, as the
book states, my tickets would be ready for pick up a week or so later, and
if there was any possibility of an upgrade, this info could be obtained 72
hrs. prior to departure.
Has anyone else had a similar experience recently or, in this
ever-changing industry, have the rules changed again?!
Glenda and/or Jeff Martin   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Ross Smyth sends this -
Canadian Aviation Historical Association.
THE C.A.H.S. NEEDS YOU!
If you are intrigued about Canada's exploits in the air, why not join
the Canadian Aviation Historical Society (CAHS) now, and learn more of
this fascinating subject?
For the price of the membership alone, you receive four copies of its
prestigious quarterly Journal plus newsletters.  Chapters in major cities
meet usually monthly with interesting programs.
On June 22-26 the Society will hold its national conference at Camp Borden
to celebrate the RCAF's 75th anniversary.
In the summer of 2000 it will meet in Calgary.
As I am the C.A.H.S. board member assigned responsibility for
PR & new members, I would like to hear from you.
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. ACRA news -
SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT JUNE 15 - 17/1999
Before you can say "fly ball," the 1999 ACRA System Softball
Tournament will be here. Anyone interested in showing just what a
great swing you have  _especially_  when you're standing at the plate?
It's time to sign up for the System Softball "tourney." Don't balk
now, the registration deadline is May 14. This year's tournament will
take place from June 15-17 in Vancouver.
For more info see: http://www.acra.ca/events/softball.htm

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. Brian Dunn in Toronto keeps us up to date with this news -
Air Canada and Mexicana de Aviacion announced a comprehensive
alliance which will improve service for air travellers between Canada
and Latin America.  Effective May 13th, Mexicana will begin code-sharing
on Air Canada's routes from Chicago to Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal to
link with their Chicago to Mexico routes.  Effective June 2nd, Air
Canada will launch codeshare service on the Mexicana flights three times
per week from Toronto to Mexico City and from Montreal to Mexico City.
Reciprocal frequent flyer miles will be earned on each airline's program
and use of each other's VIP lounges among other benefits.

SABENA has announced that it will increase the frequency on its
Montreal to Brussels route to six flights per week effective June 1st
using their leased MD-11 aircraft from Citybird.  Flights will operate
everday except Thursdays arriving at 1700hrs and departs at 1920hrs.

Air BC, an Air Canada regional carrier will be commencing a new
non-stop Winnipeg to Denver service effective July 5th.  The once-daily
flight will be flown with one of their BAe146 jets with both Executive
Class and Hospitality service.

Air Nova, an Air Canada regional carrier has announced start up of a
new service linking Montreal-Dorval with Portland Maine (PWM).  The new
service will utilize one of their Beech 1900Ds with 18 seats and
commence on June 21st.
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. Duane Frerichs of RAPCAN sends this -
The annual Toronto Air Canada Retirement Dinner/Dance in honor of 45
retiring pilots took place in the Wyndham Bristol Place Hotel on Thursday,
April 29th, 1999.
About 200 guests attended an excellent evening of cocktails, good food,
fellowship and very little dancing. Everyone was too busy reminiscing and
renewing friendships. About 26 of the 45 retirees attended. RAPCAN was well
represented.
Morley Servoes, Ray Bicknell, John Higham, Ron Dennis to name a few.
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. (Duane Frerichs)

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. Gordon Dalziel sends this -
I'm not sure if your  are aware of this Web Site, but it is worth a
look.   It will take a couple of minutes to loadup as it is mainly
pictures.
You got to see this to believe it, check this web site out
http://www.n-w.de/top/app/app.htm
Hope you enjoyed the views.... Gord.  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. Found on the internet.

British Airways last 3 DC10 aircraft G-MULL, G-BHDL and G-DCIO were
retired Mar 27th. The DC10 fleet was inherited from British Caledonia.

DON'T WORRY ... BE HAPPY: Virgin Atlantic said it is canceling all of
its flights for 12-31-99, but not out of fear of Y2K mayhem.  The
airline wants to give employees time to be with their families to enjoy
the New Year festivities.  Traditionally, Virgin Atlantic does not fly
on Christmas, but this will be a first for New Year's Eve.

AIRCRAFT ORDERS
China's Changan Airlines (2Z) has decided to buy three Dash 8
Q400 turboprop aircraft from Bombardier.

British regional carrier CityFlyer Express (FD) has placed an order
with British Aerospace for an additional Avro RJ100, bringing the
total number of this aircraft type ordered by the airline to eight.

A new low cost carrier tentatively named New Air has signed a
Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU) for 25 Airbus A320s and
took options on a further 25 planes. The airline intends to start
operations in June 2000 out of New York to destinations across the
eastern coast of the USA. It will first operate with leased A320s as
the first of its new 162-seat single class aircraft will be delivered in
June 2000 only. The carrier also secured purchase rights for yet
another 25 aircraft.

The CIT Group has reached an agreement with Airbus Industrie to
purchase 25 A320 family aircraft and 5 A330-200s, with options to
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. Terry's travel tips.

Air Canada introduces a new daily service effective July 5th to Sept 26th
Toronto to Victoria BC
AC607 departs YYZ 18:00 arrives YYJ 19:52
AC606 departs YYJ 08:00 arrives YYZ 15:17
Equipment is Airbus A319

Heathrow Express (LHR) offers 50% airline discount off its usual
GBP10.00 one way fare each weekend until the end of 1999.
Make sure you have your airline ID with you.
This reduction applies to 1 travel companion on the same journey.

Dargal Interline Cruises & Tours
Incredibly beautiful Bermuda.....
During a visit to Bermuda, Mark Twain wrote that "heaven couldn't be more
beautiful".
Take this opportunity and find out for yourself as you enjoy the sunny
island charm, soft pink sand under your feet, a swim in the turquoise
waters or a stroll along a tranquil country lane.
July 10 ~ Celebrity Zenith
New York, At Sea, Hamilton, St. George, At Sea, New York
Inside $439, Outside $539
All rates are US$ pp/dbl, subject to availability and eligibility.
New bookings only.
Port charges/Govt fees are additional.
Call 1-800-690-3223 for more information.

Holland America Line - Europe
Update - Prices and close-out May 31/99
Call Canadian interline Travel to take advantage of this special rate.

Jun 12 - 12 Nights - Copenhagen to London - from $50.us a day
Inside Cabins from $600.us pp dbl Ocean View from $780.us pp dbl
Port charges $169.us per person
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Jun 18, 24 - 12 Nights - London to Copenhagen - from $50.us a day
Inside Cabins from $600.us pp dbl Ocean View from $780.us pp dbl
Port charges $299.us per person
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Jun 6, 30  - 12 Nights - Copenhagen to London - from $50.us a day
Inside Cabins from $600.us pp dbl Ocean View from $780.us pp dbl
Port charges $299.us per person
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Call Canadian interline Travel to take advantage
of these special rates at 1-800-665-3100!!!

Vesta - our Chief pilot sends this -
for the netletter.
In case you haven't been to France lately, a friend of mine says this:
I was very impressed with de Gaulle airport. Instead of having to walk
miles, they have an excellent bus service from one terminal to another.
But the thing that intrigued me most was the bus on a platform. We
walked along a connection port into the bus, similarly to the
connections they have to the plane. When the bus was loaded, it went
down like an elevator and then drove us to our plane. This way the know
they have all their passengers.

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. Smilie.

GOOF-UP OF THE WEEK: A report tells us of the pilot at Morristown (N.J.)
Municipal who parked his new Chrysler in front of his Baron's right
engine, pre-flighted, climbed in and started engines.  Sure enough, the
Baron taxied into the Chrysler.  The pilot/driver calmly shut down,
pushed back the Baron, tied it down, got into his newly-ventilated car
and left ... presumably headed for the body shop.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acfamily.net/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acfamily.net/between/terry/

Mailing of this  "NetLetter" is courtesy of Alan Rust administrator of
the "AC Family Network" at: http://www.acfamily.net

number 365   date May 8th, 1999  1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome -
Donna Harries lives in Toronto was with CS&SA email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Ron Clubb retired Manager Purchasing living in Winnipeg, Mn
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. Where are they now?
Kitch Olson has a new email, try This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
We previously announced that Carmen Lacharite was on email
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., actually that is the email for Onil Lacharite,
and his wife Carmen is on email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Need to know.
Linda Kwoon Coordinator, Industry Travel sends this message -

Regarding some clarifications on the recent
letter sent to all employees who RETIRED PRIOR TO 1992 and residing in
Quebec and all provinces in Central and Western Canada.  Some of them
might still be in possession of their old ID card (with a big letter R
in the middle of that card) as well as a separate travel card to
imprint tickets.

Our objective for this year is to issue a COMBINED ID photo and Travel
Card (photo on one side of the card and the embossed priority/length
of service on the other side).  The letter requested that they submit
a recent passport BLACK AND WHITE photo and their signature to be
provided on a signature form that was enclosed with their letter.

Although we are receiving many good black-and white photos and
acceptable signatures from the retirees, we are also getting numerous
telephone calls for information that was not mentioned in the letter.
The most repeated queries are:

-  Will my spouse also receive a new travel card?
-  Do you require a photo for my spouse as well?
-  Can I submit a coloured photo?
-  Where can I go to have a black-and white photo taken?

It should be clarified to the retirees that only those with 25 years of
service or more are eligible for the spousal card (this is applicable
for active employees as well).  We did not make any reference to the
spousal card in the letter because (1) not every retiree is eligible to
this card and (2) it is not necessary to reissue the spousal card at
this time.  Just as a reminder, a spousal card does not contain any
picture or signature.

While the letter clearly mentioned the need for a black-and-white
photo, we did not specify the reason that our system is unable to
scan coloured photos. We have noticed that many of the black-and-
white photos we are receiving are of acceptable standard and taken by
the CAA (Canadian Automobile Association).  We have also been advised
that this association is located in every major Canadian city.

And of course, those residing close to Dorval are welcome to come and
have their picture taken at Industry Travel, Air Canada Centre, 7373
Cote Vertu Road West, Room 4.31.  However, our camera is being
repaired and we expect it to be ready for picture taking by
month-end.

For your information, while we completed the production of these
combined ID and travel cards for retirees based in Atlantic Canada, we
expect to complete this project by year-end for all Canadian-based
retirees.  Although we mailed out 5,000 letters, many of them already
have in their possession their combined ID/Travel card and therefore
they should disregard the letter as instructed.

Thank you all for your cooperation for the success of this major
objective.

If I can be of assistance to you all, please do not hesitate to
contact via internet.  Linda Kwoon This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Duane Frerichs, who produces the email newsletter for RAPCAN sends us
some information -
AIR CANADA CORP confirmed that on April 16, 1999 the membership of the
Canadian Auto Workers (CAW), the union representing the airline's 3,840
customer sales and service agents in Canada,  ratified a new collective
agreement with the company. The three year agreement, effective April 1,
1999, runs to March 30, 2002.
The previous agreement expired March 31, 1999.

NEWS FROM AARAP ( Australian Association of Retired Airline Pilots)
WebSite is:   www.leetig.com.au/aarap   but this may change very soon
to:- www.sierraweb.com.au/aarap

Through our Internet connection we are now in touch with RAPCAN (Retired
Airline Pilots of Canada) & "Icarus"  the British Airways Retired Pilots,
we ex-change Newsletters which will be sent to 'all members on the net'
who request them. For the others extracts will appear in our Newsletters.
Print outs will also be brought to our meetings.

New Air, a new airline planning to offer cut-rate fares between New York
and Florida, said Wednesday it agreed to order jetliners worth up to $3.6
billion from Europe's Airbus Industrie rather than BOEING CO. The decision
is a setback for Boeing, whose competing 737 narrow-body plane is the
world's most widely used jetliner.
A spokesman for New Air said the carrier will order 75 Airbus A320 planes,
which it chose because of their configuration, including seats
that are wider than those on the 737.

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. Vesta received this message from Shirlee Schacter -
Hi Vesta - Gerry Rellinger sends his regards. Your name came up at a
Farewell Luncheon for Owen Colliss who is retiring April 30th from his
position as Vice President of Sales and Merchandising for Galileo
Canada. As you may remember, Owen already retired after many years with
Air Canada and was responsible for the distribution of the Reservec
Computer Reservations System to travel agencies and the growth of the
Agency Automation program under Computer & Systems Services of Air
Canada. Makes one wonder where he'll turn up next!
The other thing is an industry news item re BA passengers getting a
scare.  Apparently passengers on a British Airways plane that left San
Francisco for London on Fri. Apr. 23th 99 received a big scarewhen they
were told by a recorded message that the plane was going to crash into
the sea.  They were told to take precautions.  It turns out the message
was played by mistake and the plane landed safely in London.  Some
passengers, however, were left in a state of shock and two had anxiety
attacks.  British Airways said the playing of the message was likely a
human error and apologized to the passengers.
That's it for now. Regards, Shirlee

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. Your co-pilot recently joined UK Pionair Jack Morath and his wife Aureen
in Vancouver. Jack and Aureen are the instigators of the UK Pionairs
Annual Jaunts, two day visits of some 50 Pionairs and friends, which have
taken in Ottawa, Niagara, Quebec City, Calgary, Edmonton, Nice, France in
past years and last year in Boston. This years event will take place in
Vancouver on September 29/30th. Jack and Aureen were in Vancouver for two
days to check out and arrange accommodations and to view some of the
attractions in and around Vancouver. Afterwards we flew into Portland for a
few days of visiting. We spent the whole day in the Science Museum, cost for
seniors to the museum is us$4.50, the Imax theatre was showing 'Everest'
also at us$4.50 and the spectacular laser show at us$3.00, all very
enjoyable. We drove to the coast and drove the coastal road one day,
and, after some good eating and enjoyable company, we flew back home.
We picked up the booklet called 'Traveller coupon guide' which gives
details of reduced rates for hotel/motels. Our costs were us$49 per night
in the Motel 8, Travelodge and Best Western.
The flight down was almost empty, only 15 out of 48, and the flight home
was cancelled, presumably through lack of interest, as the next flight
accommodated both bookings and still left 6 open seats.

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. Terry's travel tips.
Tom Martin sends this -
A news item on local Victoria radio May 6 said that for this summer,
AC would operate a daily non stop flight between Toronto & Victoria.
My wife checked it out with res. and was told the flt would depart YYZ
0600PM arriive Victoria 0752PM, return 0800AM arrive YYZ 0317PM.
The agent said it wasn't yet in the schedule, but she found it under
something called AC Vacations.  Tom Martin <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Smilie from the newsletter of RAPCAN -
A plane was taking off from Kennedy Airport.  After it reached a 
comfortable cruising altitude, the captain made an announcement over the
intercom, "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. Welcome  to
Flight Number 293, nonstop from New York to Los Angeles. The weather  ahead
is good and therefore we should have a smooth and uneventful flight. Now sit
back and relax - OH MY GOD!"
Silence followed and after a few minutes, the captain came back on the
intercom and said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, I am so sorry if I scared you
earlier, but while I was talking, the flight-attendant brought me a cup of 
coffee and spilled the hot coffee in my lap.  You should see the front of 
my pants!"
A passenger in Coach said,
"That's nothing. He should see the back of  mine!"

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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. Where are they now?
Doug Robinson has changed his ISP to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Karl Eliason has now moved to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
David Walker has now migrated to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. News from the districts.
MONTREAL -
John Gomes tells us that the Montreal Bowling wrapped up its season
on April 28th.

EDMONTON -
Shirley Jay sends this information -
The Edmonton Summer Barbecue will be held on August 11, 1999
4 p.m. to 8 p.m., at the Kinsmen River Valley Place.
It will feature Alberta beef tenderloin.  The cost is $12.00 per person.
The deadline for booking is August 3, 1999.
For confirmation, tickets or more information contact
Lorraine Horsley (780) 988 9074 or Shirley Jay (780) 436 0866.
Shirley Jay <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Visiting Pionairs most welcome.


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. Airliners International Toronto <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

Airliners International Toronto
Saturday, May 15, 1999
Royal Canadian Legion   
3263 Derry Road East
Malton ( 2 blocks east of Airport Rd )
10:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Come out and meet fellow enthusiasts!   Bring your airline
postcards, safety cards, slides, photos, models and any other
collectables you may wish to show, trade or sell!
Show Admission: Members: $3.00  Non  Members: $4.00
Come on out and join in the fun!!!  See you Saturday!!!
Airliners International Toronto <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Brian O'Hare sends this information -
If there are any retired AC employees residing in the Phoenix AZ area that,
has a "Green Card", and would like to work part-time/full time to obtain
health insurance or simply offset their golf fee charges, contact:
WorldWide Security in Phoenix at 800-440-0141 for a position at the
Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport at a Pre-Board Screener.....
Thanks Brian O'Hare Retired AC YYZ This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Bill Norberg has come through with another story -
Subject: Aircraft damage incidents and Bi-lingualism.
The recent issue of Horizons focused on the issue of Safety for employees
and airline equipment. This subject took me back to the late 1940's shortly
after we had received the first North Star aircraft.

The North Star aircraft were being maintained at the Dorval Base and the
main hangar being used for that purpose was Number 2. As has always been
the case ,when aircraft are being towed in or out of hangars there are two
wing men in addition to the man operating the towing vehicle. This if for
the obvious reason of ensuring the aircraft is not damaged by hitting the
side of the building or doors during the towing process. As the aircraft
were still of reasonable size in those days it was not necessary to have
walkie talkie communications between the driver and the wing men.

One day an aircraft was being towed out of # 2 hangar for engine run-up and
was being handled in the appropriate manner....two wing men in addition to
the tractor driver. As the aircraft moved slowly out of the hangar the wing
man on the right side(nearest the side of the hangar),began
shouting..."Arret...Arret!". The driver kept on towing and in no time the
right wing of the aircraft was crumpled by hitting the hangar wall.

Needless to say the tractor driver was shattered by what happened but
stoutly defended his actions.
When he was asked if he had heard the wing  man shouting, he said he had.
...."The man was saying...  alright...alright!"

Both men were doing what they understood to be the right thing.
Unfortunately it was in two different languages.
"Bill Norberg" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Found on the internet.

. On June 17th, 1974, an Air France Concorde departed Boston International
Airport for Paris. The take-off was timed to co-incide with the departure
of an Air France Boeing B747 from Paris to Boston. After landing in Paris,
the Concorde was refuelled in one hour 8 minutes and then headed back to
Boston, arriving 11 minutes ahead of the B747.
The age of supersonic travel had arrived!

Celtic Airways is planning a summer start-up with regional service in the
UK linking Sheffield, Teeside and Cork in Ireland.

Senior executives of British Airways have been ordered to take to the air
on New Years Eve to prove that the Y2K bug will not bring their aircraft
crashing down. BA's board agreed that the best way to convince passengers
the airline was safe if its top management were flying at the stroke
of midnight.

Robbers held up a Kenya Airways B737 as it landed at the airport in Lagos,
Nigeria by placing stones and logs to prevent the aircraft taxiing to the
terminal. The robbers then proceeded to open one of the forward cargo bays
and removed the luggage.

British Airways is to help passengers pay for their plane tickets by
offering them loans. The loans are available to passengers living in
the UK only and carry an interest rate of 15.9% and have to be
repaid within two years. The formula is targeted at holiday travellers
unable to afford air travel without a loan, according to British
Airways. The carrier is currently test-marketing the programme in
six of its British travel shops and will extend it to the 17 others if
successful.
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. Upcoming air shows -
May 22-23rd  -  Mirabel Montreal, QC Airshow.
May 29-30th  -  Gravenhurst, ON Muskoko International Air Show.
May 29-30th  -  Ottawa, ON National Capital Air Show.
Jun  5- 6th  -  London, ON Air Show.
Jun 26-27th  -  Miramichi, NB New Brunswick International Air Show.
Jul  2- 4th  -  Fort Erie, ON Friendship Festival Air Show.
Jul  6  8th  -  Calgary, AB Canadian Business Aircraft Assoc. Convention.
Jul 10-11th  -  CFB Moose Jaw, SK Open house and air show.
Jul 10-11th  -  Sarnia, ON Sarnia International Air Show.
Jul 17th     -  Kelowna, BC Air Display.
Jul 17-18th  -  Lazo, BC Comox Valley International Air Show.
Jul 20-21st  -  Fort St. John, BC Air Show 99
Jul 25th     -  Prince George, BC Air Show.
Jul 31st     -  North Bay Waterfront, ON Heritage Festival & Air Show.
Aug  6- 8th  -  Abbotsford, BC International Air Show.
Aug 14-15th  -  Saskatoon, SK Canada Remembers International Air Show.
Aug 28-29th  -  Sydney, NS Sydney Kinsman International Air Show.
Aug 28-29th  -  Thunder Bay, ON Thunder in the air Air Show.

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. Duane Frerichs sends this information on RAPCAN -

The Retired Airline Pilots of Canada (RAPCAN) is a non profit organization
whose purpose is to maintain and continue the close friendships and
associations of its members, to promote their general welfare and to assist
the transition of active pilots into retirement.
It's membership (presently 910) is restricted to retired air line pilots
who were members of CALPA, ALPA (C) and ACPA.
We accomplish the foregoing by;
-  having regular monthly luncheons in various locations, such as
Toronto, Vancouver, Victoria, Milton.
-  publishing a biannual membership, address, telephone/fax/e-mail
directory,
-  organizing and hosting an Annual Convention, which, this year will be
held in London, Ontario, from September 14th to 18th, 1999, and will be
held in Mainz, Germany, from September 13th to 17th, 2000.
-  publishing, three times a year, a Newsletter, and in 1998 we initiated
a regular RAPCAN Netletter which appears to serve an important contact
for the over two hundred members we presently have on e-mail.
Our membership dues are $35.00 per year in Canada, and $35.00 plus a $5.00
postage fee for those living outside of Canada.
For further information and/or an appplication form contact RAPCAN at
6 George Street South, Brampton,  ON, L6Y 1P3,
Phone/Fax  (905) 451-0197 or
E-mail:   RAPCAN <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> or Duane Frerichs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
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. Terry's travel tips.

Visiting the Seychelles?
Seychelles International Airport is 10 kms south west of the captial
Victoria on the largest island Mahe.
Air France, Air Seychelles and British Airways provide services.
Wet season is January, dry season is July and August.
Average temperature in the 70's.
U.S. and Canadian citizens are issued a 30 day visa upon arrival when in
possession of their passport, an onward ticket and proof of reserved
accommodations.
Departure tax of us$40.00 in effect until Oct 31/99.
Effective November 1st 1999 visitors 12 years and over will have to purchase
the 'Gold Card' for us$100.00.
The 'Gold Card' will be the worlds 1st environmental tourist visa. 

In NetLetter nr 356 we mentioned rates for the Travel Lodge group in the
UK, Bob Muldoon has pointed out that this information refers to the
Travelinn group and that the members discount of 20% is only valid  for
Fri/Sat and Sun rates of GBP39.95 per room.
There is no special seniors  rate available.
Bob Muldoon  <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

Getting to Frankfurt Airport or leaving Frankfurt Airport by regional
train is an attractive alternative. The airport railway station
is conveniently located directly under Terminal 1.
The Rhine-Main Regional Transit System (RMV) provides excellent connections
to/from Frankfurt and the surrounding Rhine-Main region by S-Bahn (commuter
train), RegionalExpress and StadtExpress (Town Express).
The S8 commuter line has intersections with every U-Bahn (Underground) and
commuter line, and with most trams and buses in Frankfurt, the main transfer
stations being Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof (main station), Hauptwache,
Konstablerwache and Frankfurt.
The average travel time between Frankfurt Airport and Frankfurt
central station (Hauptbahnhof) is approx. 11 minutes.
Tickets can be obtained from the blue ticket machines at the railway
stations and must be purchased before starting your journey.
Average prices.
from/to Frankfurt   DM 5.70
from/to Hanau       DM 9.80
from/to Wiesbaden   DM 5.70

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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